Shit, thats true. I wouldnt call a king good when the first order of business is war. If we didn't know Sei, we would just see him as a warmonger. Then again, war has been the precedent in this era of China's history and wouldn't fault Sei for using it too. Hell, his father was called a warrior king, right?

This author makes both battles and debates entertaining, thats a talent.

The irony is that Lu Buwei is resorting to war to achieve his goals and, whether he wants it or not, he could only maintain Qin as the Middle Kingdom's economic juggernaut through?...You guessed it, military strength.

Not entirely..lu buweis objectives is mainly the economy…he wants to be make qin so rich and dominant in goods and facturies so that attaacking qin doesnt make sense anymore… why would u attack a nation that supplies ur nation with food weapons etc… destryoing that means the aristocrats loose money which they obviously dont want…
The military will only be relevant in the beginning to stop people from invading maybe the first years… but soon ones enough conections and trade routs and contracts have been made his plan should be flawless…

I think if lu wbuwei was king china now would be social, rich and more dominant the its now… now its like a passive/ „rich“ empire.. very invasive economy wise but they dont care about the world and are kinda homophobic towards other nations (speaking of gouverment and not chinese individuals)…. China might have even got a capitalistic nation 👌

you keep on mentioning lu buwei's objective isnt war, thats not funny at all and im not laughing! he got soldiers, assassins, abductors, phedos etc etc..he is a THUG!!! a lowlife!!! toying with the young King Sei?!! if a compare him in this present times, he is like the US, WHY?! because what he does/did was to hire criminals/thugs/kidnappers/de-stabilizers to weaken a certain government, make them fight each other so that his sinister killing thousands of people for his ambitions of a so-called ECONOMIC POWER CHIN will be achieved!! well that ain't gonna happen dude, it was during the warring state that people kill each other for territorial supremacy! lu buwei doesn't have diplomacy what he does is manipulating people or killing them in a deceitful way! and thats disgusting! he got no honor or respect to the government that even him is part of it!

You are assuming all of the nations would care about Qin's wealth to not attack, but there are vendettas (like we saw in the third season with the general who was buried alive that Shin killed) that go too deep to stop them from attacking. There's a strong hate amongst the nations, which is why they've been fighting so long. Also, the goal to destroy Qin was exclusive to the coalition army. The objective of every nation is to conquer nations for more supremacy. They can take over Qin and take direct control of the wealth.

I think you trying to bring his character/ideals into the present China is flawed (China does have capitalism btw) and I don't know why you're randomly bringing up homophobia, but I'll leave that alone.

No china does not have capitalism.. only people who are acknowledged by the president and his circle are allowed to own stuff… capitalism means private people own and control their businesses / properties… in china eventough u own something doesnt mean u can control it as u wish.. the interests of the gouverment stand at the very front.. money doesnt matter either… look at billoinare jack ma… he got to cocky and had ended up putting his own ideals public… what happened to him? After a sudden step down from his post as CEO of the notorious ALI Group he ended up missing… no more publicity… he is a prime example of chinas way of governing…

However back to the anime… economy is the very engine of every war… without money and ressources u wont have solider yet alone weapons… prime example is the latest episode.. the army ( with that female general who keeps kicking her servant in the face) immediately retried as soon as they heard lu buwei was beaten… reason for that was money.. they mentioned that their money supply is gone therefore we gotta back out… this is a prime example of what lu buwei wanted to achieve… dominance by money and not by force…u will have some petty rebels of course.. but no nation wide war…

There is no such thing as a purely capitalistic nation. Even with the United States the capitalism is fettered by the government. China is not purely communist; they have allowed some capitalism which makes them a mixed economy (though obviously still being a totalitarian nation). It's a fact that there is private ownership in China which would fit your own definition of capitalism.

American government is invasive as well. In America I can own a business, but I also can NOT control it as I wish. In America I can't just start a business...I have to get permission and authorization from the government and obey their regulations. If I step out of line from what they decree, then I'm in trouble. So how much control do I really have? If I don't comply, they will inevitably (at their discretion) use force against me. They get to tell people in hundreds of ways how they are to run their businesses. It's the same thing in China but just in a more extreme form. The CCP will disappear you so they're scarier but the tension between private and state control is in both economies.

In episode 21 Lu buwei speaks contrary to what you're saying. He says war will continue. He doesn't say that people won't see a reason to attack Qin...The warring states era would continue under him. He contradicts your point. He says there are plethora of reasons people fight besides money, which is what I said talking about with vendettas. A rich Qin is not enough to stop war and HE says this explicitly. The Kings dream on the other hand, though initially bloody, WOULD.

U dont get what capitalsim is.. every country has law.. and every citizen is bound to those laws regardless of position or status.. in china its not like that.. in china the president and his circle is the law.. if they dont like u ur dead or gone.. and thats oposite pole of capitalism and the freedom western countries have… in the US u can have as much money and be retarded as u want… elon, mark…yes people will sue them for scertain decision but they dont just vanish or get deleted by gouverment cuz the gouverment doesnt like 5e individuals… in a capitalism country money rules everything.. in china not.. and thats exactly what lu buwei wanted… rule with capital not with status.. this is what zheng stands for and how it has develeoped to the china of now… a rich QIn can control others with money and thats what the anime tried to explain.. its prob the part u dont understand..

What u got right is that there is a spectrum to capitalism.. however china is no where near capitalism.. citizen cant even owns shares of their liking.. from what i heard there like a few acknowledged shares which are connected to the gouverment.. meaning money is going to gouverment.. if gouverment does well so does the shares… even floors etc are all owned by gouverment.. china isnt capitalsitic in the slightest… its a very controlled state.. hence why i say homophobic cuz they dont give people capitalistic freedom.. reasonfor that is greed and might of the gouverment /president

Its money that control war.. thats why he aims to be capitalistic… again if u u see episode 24 the army retry because they know their money will be gone with buwei loosing… its money and connection that will vanquish these years of war.. at least thats what buwei stand for and believes… which actually works..

Look at todays war in Ukraine and russia… Ukraine would be gone long time ago without the billions of money and weapons from the US/nato.. us is controlling by giving Ukraine fuel.. money controls almost everything in this world.. if china would have followed buweis ideology we would be having a total different china now

1. You ignored where Lu Buwei refuted everything you said.
2. Keep your condescending attitude to yourself trying to tell me what I don't understand because I disagree with you.
3. Here's what you don't understand: human rights and market economy are not exclusive to one another. America always had capitalism but Blacks in the south did "get deleted" because the government didn't like them.
4. It's hard to take you seriously when you keep using the word homophobic completely wrong (it's cringe and awkward). You have this absurd condescending tone but don't even know how to use words properly. To call Elon Musk, a billionaire genius who literally builds spaceships and electric cars, "retarded" is unhinged.
5. You say "China is nowhere near capitalism"...

Forbes article titled "China's economic success proves the power of capitalism".

Millionaire Weijan Shan did an interview in Harvard Business review where he said two thirds of China's GDP is from the private sector. It's called "Americans don't know how capitalist China is".

According to a CNN business article in 2020 there were more 30 million private businesses.

If China's economy was as rigid as you described it, a private sector would be inconceivable...but in fact it does exist (despite the tyranny and surveillance state they operate under).

In 2021 a Statistica article titled "Private Sector is China's Main Economic Driver" makes a lot of the points I've been making.

To say that China is nowhere near capitalism is just foolish.

if u cant keep ur emotions in place dont argue in a comment section… ur obviously mad af…
U just dont understand the definition of capitalism and u dont understand how china works.. my friend has relatives in china and he told me lot of shi* of what happens in china.. unlike u i actually do my research..
since u seem to not actually read what i say nor do u actually bring up facts im gonne leave it at where we are.. u keep saying china is a capitalstic country i say they are no where near it…

the crucial part u dont get is that capitalsim doesnt limit itself to companies.. yet alone majority of ur estimated 30 mil are street markets… the big companies who actually made billionaires must be regulated by government yes but not only the company but also the people.. hence why the billionaire of the ALI Group (literally like amazon in china) Got missing and demoted from his post.. the president didnt like him so we fck him up… thats a classic coministic move u see in any communistic country
The gouverment can freely make decisions which are not bound to the law…in addition to that they have the right to do even more because individuals lack the right to own many economic assets.. thats anti capitalism which ur tiny brain doesnt want to accept.. its reality and its nothing bad because thats just how the humans there decided to live

Im already in the field and understand how countries actually run shi+… i have even had the opportunity to talk with people in the gouverment of third world countries… countries literally economically invaded by china (i blame the country for that tho)

I stand where i stand.. u cant fathom what ur even watching, thus the few facts about random stuff u bring up dont even contribute to saying china is capitalistic.. u dont see the picture and dont seem to actually read what i say… ur few counter argumant have no relation to what ur trying to proof…
Eatherway im here to enjoy the show not to argue with a deaf person who lack the ability to hear himself

I'm not mad just annoyed by a moron who literally cannot substantively reply to any of the facts. I reference actual credible sources and refuted you and you can't handle it. The fact that you think that what I cited is "random stuff" shows that you're projecting; you can't fathom the arguments being made.

Economists, historians and entrepreneurs (ya know, actual experts) worldwide refer to China as having capitalism but the guy who can't even use words properly knows the REAL truth lol get outta here. You dismiss actual data by experts because you know somebody who knows somebody in China Lmao

But still, war is when diplomacy failed. Worst of all if you didnt even try.

Sei aka irl Yong Zheng was a warmonger

True money can do lots of things but one think that is dangerous about money is envy other nations would want your wealth and that would bring about wars.

Things will be more clear in the next episode. The manga portrayed it beautifully

It is obviously would bring a war.. the point is each Nation fight for territory because of resources, they don't kill each other for fun.. So being the richest Nation, it is unnecessary to war if they can have anything and even control other Nation.. These people are good at tactics, only dumb would fight against the richest.. Anytime they can bully other Nation.. That's how USA, RUSSIA and current CHINA now ..it is obviously some Country envy them but did not dare they can easily wipe other Country with Nukes because they are RICH/POWERFUL

ya money is power, look at modern political climate of oligarch in disguise of democracy

He wants to be like today's USA, who wages war all around the world. Take the war away from your own lands and as a result their own country is safe, people healthy and wealthy, but the rest of the world is in crisis. What an evil and selfish guy this person is

Sounds more like Israel and Saudi Arabia

definitely Israel LOL

I like how they showed only Ryofui's opinion in this episode. I'm guess they'd show Sei's opinion in next episode.
What he said makes sense in theory. But Ryofui is the literally definition of "self interest". Even if he end ups being King he'd never give a second thought in abandoning the country , if it means his survival. And people are not that simple to begin with.

Ryo-fui talks like a communist Jew saying pretty words but will get everyone in his country killed.

I'm looking forward to the rebuttal of Sei.

Same

THIS IS GOOOOOD

What a boring episode full of nonesense

Just because you couldn't understand it doesn't make it nonsense lol

Lmao, nice one, most of my relatives keep skipping scenes like this because they cant understand what's happening, but action scenes is indeed the most entertaining than this kind of scene

Or i just might be too smart that i can see through it that it appears to me as it is: nonesense.
Whereas, people with low intellect might be flabbergasted with an empty conversation.
Using 'lol' to make my opinion seem stupid, shows how desperate a person is in trying to appear smart.

Too smart? LMAO keep coping lil bro. Give me some of that whatever you're smoking right now. Your brain just aint processing all of the info coming that's why it's nonsense for you. Go watch some demon slayer or some dragonball for your rotting brain.

Too much anger in your comment, you're too invested in my opinion of someone else's work. Very intellectually immature.

Since you're so smart it will be east to tell me what about the episode, or specifically their conversation was nonsense, right? I'll be happy to prove you wrong oh enlightened one.

Anyway, i'm just projecting their political fantasies on the real world, and what they say doesn't make sense to me, or rather it's very unrealistic.
They're trying to dramatize a normal conversation to make it seem smarter than it actually is. (that's why i blamed the subtitles).
Just for comparison, compare this with conversations from Game of Thrones.
It's like when you're trying to convince a kid to do something, and u use the most random arguments. In his eyes you're making sense and you appear smart. But an adult would see right through you.

For the record I am an adult and I deep interest in geopolitics so if they were talking nonsense I would be well aware of it. In any case, all that was really talked about in this episode is the way Lu Buwei sees the world (or rather The Middle Kingdom and it's history to be more specific) and them beginning to assert their opposing ideals and visions (mostly Lu Buwei. There wasn't anything about this conversation in this episode that even gave the impression that it was pseudo intellectual, let alone all that technical. If you saw it that way, it's probably because much of the conversation went over your head.

Also can you give me an example of one of these random nonsense arguments you heard? Because I'm not sure what in their conversation you could consider nonsense even if you disagree with either of their assertions. There's so little to go off in the way of concrete plans in this episode that, if that's what you're referring to, you'd have to watch episode 21 and we could discuss the validity of those plans.

Eager to have a conversation with the one you called stupid ?

Who did I call stupid and where?

In the manga this part of talking its just the beginning of probably one of the best political discussions ever held (in animes/mangas)

Yes, but for watching sake, it basically held off the action. While this anime boasts alot of good strategy and philosophy that's in tune with the flow of the story, this ran on for a bit long.

Not really, every second of the episode was relevant. I guess the ministers' live reaction clips watching the debate was kinda unnecessary but other than that, every second was relevant. If it was a one hour episode this would be a masterpiece.

Wrong place, if you're looking for good discussions and dialogue. This anime isn't the one for that.
I'd blame the subs for how plain the conversation is.

i am scared because Ryo Bezos out here is starting to make sense but i dont trust that he means what he is saying , he may just use all of Chin to make himself richer while making the people his slave workers

They did succed and he catches her. But at some point her father will make him kneel down to him and kiss his feet. I think afterwards she says that she'll protect him under a tree. Looks like a very romantic moment to me though.

I mean, it would just be the gender swap of femme fatale

Ur welcome it japan :> tho i think it only japan on the first few :3

Lu Buwei want to open a shopping malls and arcade games centre for everyone

Does anyone know which country/state existed west of chin/qin and why their are no attacks on West parts of chin.

India was at the West of Chin back then. It was the Maharajahs ruling India for the past 5000 years. To the west of India, there were the Persians. And to the West of those, there were the Romans, and to the West of the Romans, we had the Greeks, and to the West of those guys, we had the Atlantic ocean. To the south of Europe back then, we had the Byzantine Empire, to the East of them were the Egyptians. As far as main Super-powers of them days goes, that was it. And they were all connected to one another through the Silk Rout.

Nah on present day map , qin dynasty was only covered eastern side on China, India lied towards south west not west. M asking about other half of china towards west.

Dang, this episode did not went as I thought it would be like;
Ryo Fui; Zheng… (in doc evil voice) “I AM YOUR FATHUR”…
Hahah, that’s what I was expecting🤣🤣🤣

Indian history has some great stories as well
Maybe we could create a masterpiece like kingdom